Ep 229 | Jeff Currie
The End of Globalization: Why Abundance Is an Illusion
Description
For three decades, most of Wall Street has treated energy and commodities as a rounding error, or as a small slice of the portfolio rather than the physical foundation everything else runs on. But in mid-2026, with the Strait of Hormuz disrupted, tankers burning in the Red and Black Seas, and nearly half of Russia’s refining capacity knocked offline, that complacency is being tested in real time. The noise around increasing crude oil prices is loud, but this week’s guest argues that the signal beneath it – the decline of refined products like diesel and jet fuel – is already sounding the alarm bells of a world in crisis.
In this episode, Nate is joined by Jeff Currie for a wide-boundary look at what happens when the buffers that have suppressed energy price signals for fifty years finally run dry. Using his decades of experience as a former commodity strategist at Goldman Sachs and as a current senior advisor at The Carlyle Group, Jeff walks through why the “crack spread” between crude and refined products just hit its highest level in three decades. He also describes why draining strategic reserves is, in actuality, simply a bet that scarcity can be avoided rather than solved – in Currie’s eyes, the West’s refusal to admit scarcity since the 70s has left it structurally unprepared, particularly compared to China’s security-driven build-out of nuclear, solar, and battery capacity. He also lays out the “Grand Bargain” underlying the postwar dollar system, wherein the U.S. protects global sea lanes in exchange for global trade running through New York. Jeff explains why a failure to reopen the Strait of Hormuz could unravel this arrangement, bringing forward consequences that would land hardest on middle-class Americans’ access to credit and consumption.
Is the world entering a new commodity supercycle driven by scarcity and deglobalization, or is the market going to keep shrugging off these shocks? What might it mean for ordinary people if the credit and dollar system that has funded American consumption for eighty years starts to break down? And if, as Jeff argues, we are only in “the foothills of the Himalayas,” how much higher does this climb go before societies are forced to reckon with the physical limits behind the price signals?
About Jeff Currie
Jeff Currie is the Chief Strategy Officer at Altis Partners. Previously, Jeff served as Chief Strategy Officer of Energy Pathways at Carlyle and currently serves as a Senior Advisor to the firm. Jeff’s analysis focuses on the energy and commodity markets and the supply chain central to an energy transition. Jeff is the former Global Head of Commodities Research at Goldman Sachs, where he helped to build their commodities business.
During his nearly three decades at the firm, he became one of the leading commodity market strategists on Wall Street, known for advising clients through the commodity “super cycle” of the 2000s, the shale supply shock of the 2010s, and most recently the twin shocks of the pandemic and the Russia-Ukraine war.
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00:00 – Jeff Currie, Carlyle Group
03:12 – Iran war, Strait of Hormuz disruption, Houthi attack on Saudi oil tanker, Nate on the Strait of Hormuz
03:24 – Wide-boundary perspective (Frankly on such)
03:51 – Red Sea shipping attacks, Black Sea shipping disruption, Russian refinery capacity halved
04:06 – Oil struggling to hold $100 a barrel
04:31 – Trump Always Chickens Out (TACO)
04:40 – US-Iran crude supply MOU
05:47 – Commodities as best-performing asset class of the decade (more info)
05:59 – 2020 bullish commodity supercycle call
06:27 – Diesel prices up ~81% year to date
06:44 – Roll yield vs. Price appreciation returns
08:01 – Contango and backwardation in oil futures
08:43 – A barrel of oil equals ~5 years of human labor
10:28 – 3-2-1 crack spread
11:03 – Arab Gulf refinery outages and product shortage
11:56 – Ukraine drone strikes 1,300 km into Russia
12:05 – Russia importing jet fuel from Japan and diesel from India
12:31 – US Strategic Petroleum Reserve drawdowns
15:35 – Crude distillation units and shut-in production
16:32 – Energy as the lifeblood of civilization
17:28 – Futures markets as a price-signal buffer
18:05 – Onion Futures Act
19:33 – Dodd-Frank Act
19:42 – Jeff’s The Physical Capital Paradox op-ed
20:09 – Energy and materials as a shrinking share of the S&P 500
21:10 – 2022 commodity-driven portfolio drawdown
24:40 – Scarcity vs. debasement, Gold as the debasement trade, Oil, copper and grains as the scarcity trade
25:05 – Two-decade lead time to build a copper mine
25:33 – Guyana and Brazil oil from the prior investment cycle
25:56 – AI build-out demand for metals, turbines and transformers – Largest supply-demand shock in commodities
26:35 – Technological singularity
26:48 – The Abundance Illusion
27:16 – Carter’s 1977 energy address
27:36 – Carter coining energy transition, Moral equivalent of war (MEOW)
27:52 – Project Independence
29:09 – George H.W. Bush, the Gulf War and the SPR
30:09 – China’s investment in nuclear, solar, wind, batteries and lithium
31:28 – Robert Pape on the escalation trap
32:12 – Economic superorganism
32:37 – Splintering of the superorganism into East and West
33:10 – Robert Pape article on Iran in Foreign Affairs
33:28 – 1991 Gulf War, Soviet collapse, and US hegemony
34:37 – Drones vs. Patriot missiles
35:09 – End of globalization and bloc formation
35:23 – De-globalization and the war on free trade thesis
36:17 – Liebig’s law of the minimum — Nate on the law of the minimum
36:29 – Petrodollar and the global credit system
37:42 – Bottom two income quintiles and lack of credit access
37:58 – K-shaped economy
38:07 – Fiscal transfers as the driver of inflation, 2022 stimulus checks and commodity prices
39:08 – Fiat currency
40:38 – Dodd-Frank and declining open interest in commodity markets
42:27 – Money as a claim on energy
43:10 – Exorbitant privilege
43:19 – Bretton Woods and the grand bargain, World Bank and IMF
44:09 – US Navy protection of global sea lanes
46:02 – A New Martial Plan
47:30 – BRICS vs. G7
48:41 – China’s control of critical minerals
49:05 – Offshoring of emissions and toxic processing to China (Carbon leakage)
50:05 – China controlling chips via Taiwan
51:12 – Russia weaponizing commodity exports
52:12 – Targeting of Russian food supplies
52:27 – Ukraine and Russia produce more than 20% of global grain, Odessa port blockade
52:40 – Fertilizer shortage
53:01 – El Niño and crop damage
53:08 – European heat wave
55:21 – Second and third-order effects of diesel scarcity
55:58 – Silver price spike and Chinese hoarding
56:19 – US energy dominance myth
56:47 – US reliance on Canadian crude
57:16 – Banning product exports as national hoarding
58:15 – Debt-to-GDP ratios of Europe, US and China
59:06 – New economics of warfare
59:52 – French nuclear capacity and German renewables
1:00:48 – Battery technology race
1:01:32 – NVIDIA, ASML, and TSMC, ASML’s technological moat
1:02:10 – The New Joule Order
1:02:27 – Security premium replacing the green premium
1:02:49 – Energy quality
1:03:17 – Electricity’s share of final energy, Hard-to-electrify sectors
1:04:16 – Coal as the dominant global hydrocarbon
1:04:23 – Zero marginal cost of renewables, batteries, and nuclear
1:05:48 – Transcontinental railroad
1:05:57 – Peak oil demand-side
1:06:15 – Petrostates vs. Electrostates
1:06:41 – Fiber-optic controlled drones
1:09:23 – Fossil energy required to build AI data centers
1:10:29 – Zero marginal cost software vs. upward-sloping physical supply curves
1:11:11 – AI power and compute constraints
1:11:51 – AI winter and deflationary risk
1:12:18 – AI mega-caps as ~40% of the S&P 500
1:12:34 – 2014 oil price crash
1:12:53 – Sovereign balance-sheet imbalances
1:16:10 – Chicago school economics
1:16:22 – Return of state capitalism
1:16:50 – World War II industrial mobilization
1:18:25 – Peak oil demand accelerated by security
1:19:01 – Peak oil supply-side
1:19:37 – Reality of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve floor
1:20:08 – Amos Hochstein and SPR minimums
1:20:41 – SPR salt caverns
1:22:06 – Physical capital paradox and the munificent seven
1:22:25 – Physical shortages as the trigger for commodity investment
1:23:04 – James Schlesinger on complacency and panic
1:26:32 – Planetary boundaries


