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Ep 51  |  DJ White

DJ White: “Ocean Effectivism”

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DJ White The Great Simplification

Show Summary:

On this episode, Nate is joined by Eco-interventionist and long time friend DJ White. DJ is not necessarily a household name but has been instrumental in successful environmental interventions – primarily for the oceans – for the last four decades. The list of his behind-the-scenes accomplishments is long, but today he joins Nate to describe how to be effective in change-making and outlines ways that current activist efforts could be improved. He also shares his own profound experiences with some of Earth’s most intelligent creatures and how these cetacean friends shaped his life’s work.

About DJ White:

DJ White is a co-founder of Greenpeace International and founder of EarthTrust. He has played a leading role in protecting dolphins, whales, sea turtles, and countless other marine animals, including being the driving force behind the transition to more dolphin-friendly tuna, stopping widespread use of ocean drift nets in the 1980s, successfully stopping a national dolphin drive kill, and breaking the deadlock in capping the Kuwait oil fires.

In French, we have a motto that says that a simple drawing is often better than a long explanation. Jean-Marc Jancovici Carbone 4 President

That’s very understandable because with left atmosphere thinking, one of the problems is that you see everything as a series of problems that must have solutions. Iain McGilchrist Neuroscientist and Philosopher

We can’t have hundreds and hundreds of real relationships that are healthy because that requires time and effort and full attention and awareness of being in real relationship and conversation with the other human. Nate Hagens Director of ISEOF

This is the crux of the whole problem. Individual parts of nature are more valuable than the biocomplexity of nature. Thomas Crowther Founder Restor

Show Notes & Links to Learn More

00:40DJ White Info + Works

00:55GreenPeace International

01:11The Oil Drum

01:16Reality Blind vol. 1 and The Bottleneck Reader

05:23International dolphin campaign

06:05Self-awareness test

06:17Species Survival Network, CITES, EarthTrust

06:40International label for dolphin friendly tuna

07:38The Cove movie

07:23Kuwaiti Oil Fires

13:22John C. Lilly

15:52Threats to dolphin population

19:01Operant Conditioning

21:45Dolphin sonar

24:01Dolphins are social creatures

27:45CO2 effects on oceanic vertebrates

28:20Big, slow-reproducing organism get wiped out first in extinction events

29:08A child born today is expected to outlive coral

29:20Over 25% of all ocean creatures spend a part of their life cycle in coral reefs

29:35Importance of calcium for skeletons and food webs

30:25Largest brains in the universe talking to each other underneath the ice

31:30Aza Raskin + Earth Species Project + TGS Episode

32:10Video of dolphin stuck in fishing line approaching humans for help

37:50Thermal Maximum

39:50 – Collapse in biodiversity, Madagascar, Syria, Ukraine, Bangladesh

40:23Fossil fuels created before the existence of termites and lignin eating bacteria

42:23Arthur C. Clarke

43:21‘Renewable’ energy isn’t really renewable

43:4280% of the energy we use comprises things that we’re burning, not electric and we cannot electrify our current system

44:41Could you make a solar panel with electric power

45:38What We Owe the Future – MacAskill, Existential Risk – Nick Bostrom

47:40The average mammalian species last 1 million years, the average large mammalian species last 10 million years

49:25It’s easy to have empathy for an individual, it’s difficult for large numbers

50:59Margaret Mead

51:10 Why small groups are better at solving problems

57:05Keeling Curve

59:05Germany and Eastern US bringing back coal for energy security

1:00:40We’ve had access to more energy year over year for the last couple hundred years

1:07:13Near Term Extinction Movement

1:13:40Systemic financial risks

1:17:20Running out of asphalt to maintain roads, primary railroads retired and torn up

1:22:55Taiwan Dolphin Drive Kill

1:31:13John McAfee

1:35:20The Green Revolution, Norman Borlaug

1:37:25Fukushima

1:37:58Thorium

1:40:35Tritium, liquid helium scarcity

1:48:11Deep timeAnimals and plants have been on earth for 4-4.5 billion years, and will only be around for another half billion

1:52:47Hydrogen Sulfide

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