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Ep 51  |  DJ White

DJ White: “Ocean Effectivism”

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Show Summary:

On this episode, Nate is joined by Eco-interventionist and long time friend DJ White. DJ is not necessarily a household name but has been instrumental in successful environmental interventions – primarily for the oceans – for the last four decades. The list of his behind-the-scenes accomplishments is long, but today he joins Nate to describe how to be effective in change-making and outlines ways that current activist efforts could be improved. He also shares his own profound experiences with some of Earth’s most intelligent creatures and how these cetacean friends shaped his life’s work.

About DJ White:

DJ White is a co-founder of Greenpeace International and founder of EarthTrust. He has played a leading role in protecting dolphins, whales, sea turtles, and countless other marine animals, including being the driving force behind the transition to more dolphin-friendly tuna, stopping widespread use of ocean drift nets in the 1980s, successfully stopping a national dolphin drive kill, and breaking the deadlock in capping the Kuwait oil fires.

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00:40 – DJ White Info + Works

00:55 – GreenPeace International

01:11 – The Oil Drum

01:16 – Reality Blind vol. 1 and The Bottleneck Reader

05:23 – International dolphin campaign

06:05 – Self-awareness test

06:17 – Species Survival Network, CITES, EarthTrust

06:40 – International label for dolphin friendly tuna

07:38 – The Cove movie

07:23 – Kuwaiti Oil Fires

13:22 – John C. Lilly

15:52 – Threats to dolphin population

19:01 – Operant Conditioning

21:45 – Dolphin sonar

24:01 – Dolphins are social creatures

27:45 – CO2 effects on oceanic vertebrates

28:20 – Big, slow-reproducing organism get wiped out first in extinction events

29:08 – A child born today is expected to outlive coral

29:20 – Over 25% of all ocean creatures spend a part of their life cycle in coral reefs

29:35 – Importance of calcium for skeletons and food webs

30:25 – Largest brains in the universe talking to each other underneath the ice

31:30 – Aza Raskin + Earth Species Project + TGS Episode

32:10 – Video of dolphin stuck in fishing line approaching humans for help

37:50 – Thermal Maximum

39:50 – Collapse in biodiversity, Madagascar, Syria, Ukraine, Bangladesh…

40:23 – Fossil fuels created before the existence of termites and lignin eating bacteria

42:23 – Arthur C. Clarke

43:21 – ‘Renewable’ energy isn’t really renewable

43:42 – 80% of the energy we use comprises things that we’re burning, not electric and we cannot electrify our current system

44:41 – Could you make a solar panel with electric power

45:38 – What We Owe the Future – MacAskill, Existential Risk – Nick Bostrom

47:40 – The average mammalian species last 1 million years, the average large mammalian species last 10 million years

49:25 – It’s easy to have empathy for an individual, it’s difficult for large numbers

50:59 – Margaret Mead

51:10 – Why small groups are better at solving problems

57:05 – Keeling Curve

59:05 – Germany and Eastern US bringing back coal for energy security

1:00:40 – We’ve had access to more energy year over year for the last couple hundred years

1:07:13 – Near Term Extinction Movement

1:13:40 – Systemic financial risks

1:17:20 – Running out of asphalt to maintain roads, primary railroads retired and torn up

1:22:55 – Taiwan Dolphin Drive Kill

1:31:13 – John McAfee

1:35:20 – The Green Revolution, Norman Borlaug

1:37:25 – Fukushima

1:37:58 – Thorium

1:40:35 – Tritium, liquid helium scarcity

1:48:11 – Deep time – Animals and plants have been on earth for 4-4.5 billion years, and will only be around for another half billion

1:52:47 – Hydrogen Sulfide

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