
Reality Roundtable 17
Reality Roundtable #17 — Moving from Apathy to Action: How Facing Grief Can Help Us Navigate a World in Crisis
Description
When facing the realities of our world, the urge to drown in grief or shut down into apathy is becoming more and more common. As we are flooded with information and global predicaments outside of our control, overwhelm can set in, affecting our energy, efficacy, and even our ability to care. But what if facing our grief is actually the pathway to increasing our capacity to stay connected to and work on the things that matter most to us? What tools, practices, or rituals could we use to help us begin to metabolize our grief?
In this episode, Nate is joined by John Seed and Skye Cielita Flor to explore the power of rituals and community for processing grief and transforming it into a deeper connection with ourselves, each other, and the natural world. They discuss the primary influences of their work, including ‘The Work That Reconnects,’ a framework developed by Joanna Macy and others, as well as the philosophy of Deep Ecology, founded by Arne Naess. Most importantly, John and Skye share their experience with deepening their own emotional capacity and embodiment of ecological values, and how they’ve helped others do the same.
How has an absence of ritual and the avoidance of grief in our culture distorted our relationship to loss – and therefore our ability to protect what we love? What practices do other cultures use to nurture ecological identity and kinship with the more-than-human world? And finally, why might grief, when honored and integrated, be a vital part of building more resilient and ecologically-grounded systems for the future?
About John Seed
John Seed is an activist, facilitator, musician, and co-author of the seminal book “Thinking Like a Mountain” with Arne Naess, Joanna Macy and Pat Fleming. John Seed is the founder of the Rainforest Information Centre and has dedicated his life to the protection of rainforests and their biodiversity since 1979. Over the past few decades, John has also become a pivotal figure in the Deep Ecology movement.
About Skye Cielita Flor
Skye’s early years were spent working in wildlife rehabilitation and as a Wilderness Guide in the South African bush. She then underwent a traditional 3 year apprenticeship in Taoist Healing practices before moving to the Peruvian Amazon where she entered into a full-time 5 year traditional curanderismo apprenticeship with her Shipibo teachers of the Mahua – Lopez lineage.
On return from the jungle, she has been passionate about finding meaningful ways to deepen into and integrate the life altering paradigmatic shifts she experienced with the plants. This is primarily done through her work as a facilitator of Experiential Deep Ecology, as a Grief Ritualist, as a co-facilitator of The Mythic Body year-long course by Josh Schrei, and as a facilitator of immersive group experiences into practices focusing on reclamation of living earth perception, mythic imagination, and ritual rhythms.
In French, we have a motto that says that a simple drawing is often better than a long explanation. Jean-Marc Jancovici Carbone 4 President
That’s very understandable because with left atmosphere thinking, one of the problems is that you see everything as a series of problems that must have solutions. Iain McGilchrist Neuroscientist and Philosopher
We can’t have hundreds and hundreds of real relationships that are healthy because that requires time and effort and full attention and awareness of being in real relationship and conversation with the other human. Nate Hagens Director of ISEOF
This is the crux of the whole problem. Individual parts of nature are more valuable than the biocomplexity of nature. Thomas Crowther Founder Restor
Show Notes & Links to Learn More
00:00 – John Seed: Thinking Like a Mountain: Towards a Council of All Beings, Rainforest Information Centre, Deep Ecology
Skye Cielita Flor: Curandurismo, The Mythic Body
04:00 – Plant Intelligence
04:38 – Joanna Macy
05:20 – Global Deforestation peaked in the 1980s
05:48 – Human-driven Mass Extinction
05:57 – Arne Næss
07:15 – The Spiral Journey, Video lecture from Joanna Macy
07:25 – Francis Weller, TGS Episode
08:15 – Ecological Identity article with Individual Assessment Tool, Discursive strategies in constructing Ecological Identity
08:55 – Nate’s early work (PhD thesis)
10:50 – The Great Unraveling
11:58 – The relationship between social acknowledgment and prolonged grief symptoms
13:50 – Cultural Materialism by Marvin Harris – Theoretical principles, Nate Hagens explaining Marvin Harris’ Cultural Materialism, Basic Premises of Cultural Materialism
14:20 – Vagus Nerve Regulation
15:21 – Exiled feelings
15:33 – Primordial Emotions
16:55 – Relationship between Cognition and Emotion
17:34 – Sympathetic Nervous System
19:30 – Oil spills in the Peruvian Amazon
20:01 – Jem Bendell, Catherine Ingram
21:10 – Information Burnout Frankly
24:40 – Nightcap National Park, World Heritage List
25:04 – Randy Hayes, Rainforest Action Network
27:08 – A Review Study on Understanding Grief: Attachment, Love, and Loss
27:22 – Animism
29:43 – The Truth Mandala, Video Lecture from Joanna Macy
31:03 – The Council of All Beings, Nate’s Frankly on it
32:05 – Vision Quest
34:00 – Hopi Animistic beliefs, Animism common among many Indigenous cultures
35:15 – Jean-Marc Jancovici, The Shift Project, TGS Episodes 1 + 2
35:32 – Earth Religion, Paganism and connection to Earth
38:30 – The Tree of Life
38:55 – The Cosmic Walk, Child of the Universe chant, Sister Miriam Therese MacGillis of Genesis Farm in New Jersey, Thomas Berry
41:15 – Origin of elements
42:17 – History of Ritual in humans, Biological origin of Ritual
48:00 – The Work That Reconnects Network, Becoming a Facilitator
48:22 – Free: The Active Hope Foundations Training
48:55 – A Wild Love of the World
53:03 – Embodiment
53:50 – Anthropocentrism
59:09 – 5 Gates of Grief from Francis Weller
1:01:03 – The Living Earth perspective
1:01:40 – Skye’s facilitations, Plant Intelligence by Stephen Harrod Buhner
1:02:00 – Systems Theory, Gaia Theory (Hypothesis)
1:02:40 – Goethe’s Exact Sensorial Imagination, Jung’s Active Imagination
1:04:08 – John Seed’s Workshop Offerings
1:05:10 – Strengthening Corbett Practice, The Great Turning
1:10:40 – Consciousness and the Universe, Cenozoic Era