Ep Archive 127  |  Ed Conway

Material World: The Key Resources Underpinning Modern Economies (TGS Archive)

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The Great Simplification

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Current geopolitical events continue to expose just how complex and fragile our global economic system is. As such, The Great Simplification team is re-releasing this episode with Ed Conway, which covers the deceptively critical materials that continue to underpin everything from the phone in your hand to the house that you live in. 

In contrast to ‘The Great Simplification’, some might call the events of the last few hundred years a ‘Great Complexification’ in terms of relationships, governance, supply chains, and many other human activities. This conversation with economics journalist Ed Conway focuses on the six essential resources that underpin our modern economies –  sand, salt, iron, copper, oil, and lithium – and dives into the (often unseen) environmental and human costs of extracting them, as well as the surprisingly fragile global supply chains they fuel. In order to understand what possibilities – and dangers – may await us in the future, we need to understand the realities and constraints of the present, as well as the failure points of the past. 

What does it take to mine, refine, and transform the materials that are foundational to the world around us – which many of us now take for granted? How can we ensure the stability of global supply chains, and could we predict potential disruptions and chokepoints before they arise? If we understood the intricate web of complexity, energy, and resources that go into everything we consume, would it change our expectations for how much we need in order to live a good and fulfilling life?

About Ed Conway

Ed Conway is the economics and data editor at Sky News, covering major UK and international economics, business and political stories. He has broken a series of exclusive reports on the banking and financial crisis. He is also economics columnist for The Times, and has been one of the longest-running economics editors in UK journalism, having started covering the sector in 2003. Prior to joining Sky, he was economics editor of The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Telegraph, where he was also a weekly op-ed columnist, and economics correspondent at the Daily Mail. 

Ed is the author of the book on Bretton Woods, The Summit: The Biggest Battle Of The Second World War – Fought Behind Closed Doors and an economics guidebook, 50 Economics Ideas You Really Need to Know. His 2024 book Material World, was nominated as one of the Financial Times Book of the Year. Ed is a governor of the National Institute for Economic and Social Research, and has lectured on the international monetary system at the London School of Economics, the US Treasury and many other forums.

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The TGS team puts together these brief references and show notes for the learning and convenience of our listeners. However, most of the points made in episodes hold more nuance than one link can address, and we encourage you to dig deeper into any of these topics and come to your own informed conclusions.

This episode was recorded in May 2024. Since then the Strait of Hormuz has closed, copper has set records, China has dropped under a billion tons of steel, Britain has nationalized its last blast furnaces and stopped making ammonia and soda ash, and the AI buildout has become the largest new claim on nearly every material in the book. Updates are bulleted under their respective lines.

00:00 – Edmund Conway – Featured book: Material World: The Six Raw Materials That Shape Modern Civilization

01:23 – Olivia Lazard (The Great Simplification Episode), Simon Michaux (The Great Simplification Episode)

05:53 – I, Pencil

06:52 – Invisible Hand

07:40 – Brexit

07:55 – Distorted gold export stats for the UK

09:02 – The supply chain of gold

12:08 – History of glass

12:20 – What we use sand for today

13:16 – How Silicon Chips are made

13:40 – 1915 Glass Famine

18:06 – The importance of concrete, CO2 emissions

19:18 – Chip War

20:12 – Silica, Wentworth Scale

20:57 – Hawaiian beach sand is parrotfish excrement

22:11 – Types of sand

22:58 – Constraints of mining useful sand, Yukon Delta

25:19 – Cement research

25:40 – Ancient cement recipes

26:48 – Cement absorbs CO2 over time, research on this

31:40 – Global map of sand mines

33:26 – Limestone availability

35:02 – Ultra high purity quartz, crucibles, Spruce Pine, NC

35:12 – History of salt

35:39 – Mark Kurlansky

36:21 – Importance of salts to pharmaceuticals

37:01 – Salt’s importance to batteries

37:22 – Salt use in petroleum products

37:41 – Indian independence and salt production

38:55 – Salt is used for so many things

39:33 – Salt for water purification

41:02 – Sand mines under the Mississippi River

42:11 – Sodium batteries

42:30 – Soda ash U.S. deposits

44:41 – Lithium scarcity, lithium uniqueness as an energy storage medium

47:25 – History of lithium batteries

48:19 – Copper importance and availability

48:52 – Copper substitutability with aluminum or silver

  • Update: Conway hasn’t gone back to copper since the book, but Hang on, are there ANY lost minerals? revisits the argument: we never ran out and we barely substituted, we just got much better at digging bigger holes.

50:19 – Peak Copper

50:29 – Julian Simons and Paul Ehrlich bet

52:08 – Energy and water intensity of mining copper

52:28 – Declining density of copper in the crust available for mining

53:47 – Chuquicamata

56:45 – Social push back against mining projects

57:52 – Health effects in mining towns

59:21 – International Energy Agency, net zero models and anticipated country development

1:01:43 – Russia is one of the richest countries in natural resources

1:02:53 – Brandauer

1:05:24 – Fukushima Earthquake effects on ford truck supply chain

1:06:10 – Comparative Advantage

1:07:57 – Richard Baldwin

1:09:11 – Invention of GDP

1:10:30 – Semiconductor industry war

1:11:37 – UK no longer domestically producing fertilizer, Haber Bosch

  • Update: Britain now makes no ammonia and no soda ash at all. Conway’s The End of Salt? (January 2026) reports this is “the first time we haven’t made them in this country in more than a century.” European nitrogen prices ran 71% above the 2024 average by April 2026, prompting an EU Fertilizer Action Plan.
  • Update: Britain still makes fertilizer at Billingham, but from imported ammonia. CF Fertilizers UK’s 2025 accounts state that it “continues to operate the Ammonia importation model,” and record the sale of its former Ince works.
  • Update: Substitution stories still disappoint – Chile mines caliche nitrate a century after Haber-Bosch.

1:12:07 – Fertilizer plant shut down causes crisis for CO2 canister for pig farms in the UK

1:14:53 – Wassily Leontief, input/output tables

1:17:45 – Camborne Mining School, shut down their mining course

1:22:50 – Recycling rates

1:23:15 – Steel per nation per capita, 15 tons for a developed nation

1:26:11 – Lagom

1:26:28 – Conway’s Jevons Paradox Thread, Jevons Paradox

1:27:10 – William Stanley Jevons

1:30:10 – AI and increase in energy consumption

1:40:52 – Resource per capita vs standard of living

1:42:15 – The Summit, Bretton Woods Conference

1:43:48 – China’s dominance in EVs

1:45:16 – Global imbalances of debt and surplus

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